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shanna

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Women can learn and teach Torah (or run a Jewish school) alongside being a Jewish wife and mother!
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Why not just say: "Women can learn and teach Torah (or run a Jewish school)!" Why do women's roles within Judaism always have to be tied up with being "a wife and mother?" We rarely, if ever, refer to a man being "a Jewish husband and father," as if it is taken for granted that it is his primary role, and anything else he does must be secondary to it.

Furthermore, how demoralizing is that statment for those women who struggle with infertility, or who after many years have yet to find a spouse, or who just do not find fulfillment in marriage and children!

Karen

Shanna,

I am sorry if you found my sentence insensitive. What I am saying is that given that most 17-18 year old yeshiva girls tend to aspire to eventually get married and have a family it is important that they see a female role model who can be good at juggling both family and career responsibilities. This way their aspirations can expand to include the possibility of career interests as well.

You know from past posts that I have also written about infertility and singles (for lack of a better word) in the Jewish community. I do not, as you said, always tie up women's roles within Judaism with being a wife and mother. But occassionally they are tied up and need to be addressed, even if the challenge does not apply to everyone.

I agree that in a perfect world we would talk about both men and women juggling work and family, and sometimes I discuss that as well. But here I was specifically talking about how we educate girls. How we educate boys will have to wait for another post.

adderabbi

I think Shanna implies a great point, in that Rebbeim in Yeshivot should be role models for how to be a good Jewish husband and father (if they are husbands and fathers).

oosj

Interesting - I posted awhile ago on a discussion in an Israeli haredi internet forum, called 'bcahdrei hacharedim' in which they complained that men had no business heading up girls' seminaries.

shanna

My comment wasn't directed particularly at you, Karen, but at an overarching mentality. I don't hold you responsible for it, and for sure you shouldn't feel as if you have to apologize to me!

Soferet

בס"ד
YES! Holy conversation.
Ameyn :)

bob

Ramaz, the Modern Orthodox day school in Manahattan, recently appointed a female head of school. Rabbi Lookstein, the former head, kept the Rosh Yeshiva title for those people who are umcomfortable with a women responsible for hashkafa decisions, but still, its a step in the right direction

dmz

I agree that financial equity is an important goal and that parsonage for women in rabbi-like positions is an important step in the right direction (dare I say feminism and yashrus may very well be one and the same?). I am seriously concerned that the continued inequities, faced by women who are trying to make a life for themselves in learning is going to make serious learning for women a one-generation phenomenon. Many talented and Torah-minded women I know are choosing not to pursue careers in Torah education for this reason.

Tobie

As an alumna of Sha'alvim for Women, I was quite disappointed that they decided to replace the female Dean. Although I was not incredibly close with her, I felt that her presence as a learned female role model was invaluable for the students. If the school wanted a Rabbi in a leadership position, there was still the role of Mashgiach, etc, which was fulfilled by a Rabbi.
A similar experience happened in my Bais Yaakov high school, where the intelligent and charismatic female principal was replaced by a rabbi, to the disappointment of many of the students. I am saddened that Sha'alvim decided to follow that path. However, they still do have a number of females in positions of torah authority, including a Yo'etzet Halacha and at least one woman gemara teacher, which is partially why I found this new decision so very odd and disappointing, especially for those of us who continue to be interested in pursuing a life of torah study.

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